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On January 17th, 2012, I listed my Pioneer DJM400
Mixer and 2 Pioneer CDJ400 Turntables on Amazon.com. I was running short on my
account and, considering my upcoming travel plans and incoming tax refund; I
decided I didn’t need the DJ equipment anymore. I listed my prices the usual
way, by selling it $0.01 lower than the lowest-priced item in the same
condition. Within 2 days, the mixer sold and I was relieved. 2 days later, I
got an email from Amazon.com:
“Subject: Your Amazon.com
Account
We are writing to let
you know that we are conducting a review of your selling account. During
this review, your funds will be temporarily reserved in your seller account.
We conduct account reviews in support of our commitment to improving the customer experience. These reviews are intended to ensure the timely shipment of orders and compliance with our selling policies.
Please continue to fulfill orders and list only items that you are able to ship by or before the promise date.
For information on how you may be able to expedite this review, search on “Velocity Limits and Account Reviews” in our seller Help.
We will notify you via e-mail when our account review is complete.
We appreciate your patience and cooperation.
Regards,
Seller Performance Team
Amazon.com”
We conduct account reviews in support of our commitment to improving the customer experience. These reviews are intended to ensure the timely shipment of orders and compliance with our selling policies.
Please continue to fulfill orders and list only items that you are able to ship by or before the promise date.
For information on how you may be able to expedite this review, search on “Velocity Limits and Account Reviews” in our seller Help.
We will notify you via e-mail when our account review is complete.
We appreciate your patience and cooperation.
Regards,
Seller Performance Team
Amazon.com”
This didn’t make any sense at all. I had a perfect 5-star
rating over the life of my account and zero disputes. Everyone had always been
pleased working with me. As I read further, it seemed that I had sold items
more expensive than I usually list (I generally sold used textbooks) which had
triggered the system to flag my account for review, just to be safe.
There was a link to a form to input information for
expediting the account review process. I filled out the information completely
and sent it off quickly. On January 24th, my two CD turntables sold
and the transaction amounts were withheld in the same account, which had now amounted
to $1000.
I received an email on the 26th, which said that my
account review had not yet been completed and recommended me to remind buyers
to leave feedback on my account. I went ahead and did this the next day for
both buyers, but I was fully aware that the buyers had no incentive to leave me
feedback other than doing so out of altruism. I had sent several inquiries to their
Merchant Review department and I still hadn’t gotten a response. It had been almost
10 days and my attempts to recover my funds were being deflected. I decided to pick
up the phone and settle this by speaking with a person. People can solve
reasonable issues more readily than automated computer systems, or so I thought.
Not one representative or supervisor could help me with my issue. And here’s
the best part:
Customer Service Representative: “The account review process can take up to 30 days. The Merchant Review
department is the only place that can help with this issue. Would you like me
to give you their email address?”
Me: “No, they don’t answer their email and
that’s why I’m calling. What is their direct line?”
Customer Service Representative: “They don’t have phones.”
Jeff Bezos (CEO) is worth billions, yet a vital branch of
his company doesn’t have phone lines. Yeah right! Apparently, the only way to resolve
my issue was through email, which they conveniently didn’t answer.
I went ahead and filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.
I went a step further and contacted their corporate office in Washington to let
them know about the complaint. I wrote several emails, made some more scathing
phone calls, got another perfect 5 from the guy who bought my turntables, and
this fiasco went on for another few weeks. They had all the information they
needed to conduct their review of my account in less than 1 hour, but they
seemed intent on holding my funds for the full 30 days. This is how I realized
that this company is fraudulent. I then went on to research my issue and found
many other merchants who had suffered similar mistreatment and fraud. Some bigger
3rd party merchants (think tens of thousands of dollars in revenue),
had even gotten their accounts suspended and had their funds stolen!!
HOW IT WORKS:
3rd Party Merchants (me) list items on Amazon.com
at competitive prices. Amazon lets them sell a certain amount and then freezes
their funds for 30+ days. They invest the sum of all frozen accounts and gain
interest (you are giving them a no-interest loan). An all-powerful algorithm
reviews and suspends accounts. No rational explanation is given, only a list of
vague possible reasons. The more successful you are as a merchant, the more likely you are to get flagged. After all, you are competing with Amazon.com's prices. Having a competitive marketplace would undercut their profits. There is no way to facilitate the review process, despite the tips on how to speed it up. You HAVE to wait
the full 30 days. For some people it gets extended to 90 days. Others have their accounts
suspended indefinitely and lose all the withheld funds.
On Day 30, I received an email that said my account was
cleared and that my money would be deposited within 4-5 days. A few days later,
I got an email notifying me that my account had a credit card company had filed
a dispute regarding the transaction where I had sold my mixer. The dispute was
filed through the credit card company and she had never notified me that there
was even an issue! By now, I was enraged! I sent an overassertive email and a Facebook
message to the woman who had bought my mixer.
“Tina,
I received an order refund request on Amazon.com without any explanation. Apparently, you've contacted your credit card company at the bank to dispute our transaction. Amazon is a scam company that has encouraged many buyers to submit negative feedback in return for free money and products. You need to send me your phone number by tonight so we can discuss what is going on here and why you're requesting a cancellation through your bank without leaving me feedback or contacting me first.
Regards,
Haroun Omar”
I received an order refund request on Amazon.com without any explanation. Apparently, you've contacted your credit card company at the bank to dispute our transaction. Amazon is a scam company that has encouraged many buyers to submit negative feedback in return for free money and products. You need to send me your phone number by tonight so we can discuss what is going on here and why you're requesting a cancellation through your bank without leaving me feedback or contacting me first.
Regards,
Haroun Omar”
I waited. She never replied. The following day, the full
amount was deposited into my bank account. I never heard from Tina. She was as
evasive as a reasonable customer service representative from Amazon.com.
On a brighter note, I received an email from the BBB asking
if the seller had effectively resolved my issue. It appears that filing a
complaint with the BBB is something that they actually did respond to, while
every phone call I made was deflected and every email I wrote was returned with
a canned response from an automated system. If you find yourself in my
situation, file with the BBB. It will not do much to help your case, but at
least they take the time to respond to a complaint case. But better yet:
Never sell anything on
Amazon.com
And if you’re a consumer, please do your part and stop buying from a company that defrauds
innocent people.
Please pass this article to everyone you know. I would like
as many people as possible to get this insight and protect themselves from what
I had to go through. It was a long month of suffering and putting in a lot of effort only to make no progress at all.
Haroun Omar
I love your post. Thank you so much for writing. As a seller on Amazon I can testify that everything you are saying is true. Amazon is bad for both buyers and sellers. I cannot believe this scam company has gotten so big. Here is my blog post about my experience with Amazon:
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I do not know what state you are in. . . However, I had a similar experience with Amazon. . . But in my case I'm here in Washington and from others I know, I was warned of their practices. . . So the second they suspended my account, I sued in small claims and had their registered agent served within the hour.
ReplyDeleteMy account was reinstated by 2 hours later and their merchant service department called me and asked to have me drop the suit. . . My reply was, "Not until you pay me the $39 filing fee and the $160 service fee." . . . That money was sent to me in a check I got two days later.
Just to be a jerk, I didn't drop the suit till we all parties showed up in court and dismissed it there and then.
My view is this. . . Why spend all kinds of my time writing letters, getting frustrated (many hours) and trying to resolve it some how on "their playing field" when I can spend total of 45 minutes of my time dragging them in "my playing field" where their games will not work?
William, that's the best way to deal with things like this. Being a new graduate from university (Colorado) thrust into the real world, I didn't have the experience or knowledge to manage this situation efficiently. I learned along the way that you have to be assertive from the moment something like this happens. They make their money from the people who play by their rules. Nowadays, I work too hard in difficult conditions (Kabul, Afghanistan) to allow any organization to manipulate my money. It was a big moment of growth for me and I will definitely take your advice on matters similar to this in the future.
DeleteI got scammed by Lookout Wholesale on Amazon. The buyer claimed the book I sold was the wrong edition. I sell very few books and I list it by ISBN, so I know I did not make an error. I assured the buyer it was what was ordered, but I offered a return anyhow. A few days later, the buyer filed an A-to-Z and won! Amazon refunded the money paid AND allowed the buyer to keep the book. Amazon would not budge despite what was presented. Fortunately, I removed all my payment information and changed my name on their systems. They have not been able to charge me. So, I am only out a LOT of time and a LOT of stress and some smaller fees (shipping, etc). I will never go back to Amazon for anything after this.
ReplyDeleteAnyhow, if you do business online, avoid this business:
Lookout Wholesale, LLC
1712 Church Street, Chattanooga, TN 37421
I got scammed by Lookout Wholesale on Amazon. The buyer claimed the book I sold was the wrong edition. I sell very few books and I list it by ISBN, so I know I did not make an error. I assured the buyer it was what was ordered, but I offered a return anyhow. A few days later, the buyer filed an A-to-Z and won! Amazon refunded the money paid AND allowed the buyer to keep the book. Amazon would not budge despite what was presented. Fortunately, I removed all my payment information and changed my name on their systems. They have not been able to charge me. So, I am only out a LOT of time and a LOT of stress and some smaller fees (shipping, etc). I will never go back to Amazon for anything after this.
ReplyDeleteAnyhow, if you do business online, avoid this business:
Lookout Wholesale, LLC
1712 Church Street, Chattanooga, TN 37421
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ReplyDeleteHad same exact experience with Lookout Wholesale on Amazon. They keep book and claim it was not as listed. No help from Amazon.
ReplyDeleteHad same exact experience with Lookout Wholesale on Amazon. They keep book and claim it was not as listed. No help from Amazon.
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ReplyDeleteSounds like grounds for a class action lawmsuit
ReplyDeleteThis was a cute move by SCAM-azon: I get the emails stating that book I order has shipped...gauranteed arrival within 5 to 7 business days. Two weeks after the latter of the two dates, I contact them to ask where my book is. They say they'll have the 3rd party seller contact me. THAT didn't happen. SO...another week passes and I call. I'm told they'll refund my payment by MAILING a gift card with the balance on it. Not only has that never happened over the next two months- they refused to apply the balance to the gift card used to make the purchase initially.
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